CLOSING COMMENT ONENESS APOSTOLIC

I thank Frank for standing up for the error he holds and trying to defend what is not in scripture and his attempt to refute me by questions what I made in my affirmation, that Jesus is God and Father, God is one person, God was in Christ the man and yet Jesus as Spirit Deity was the only God and Father.

Recap of major problem for Frank, he has YHVH and another god with YHVH, who he says is not also YHVH. I showed by comparing scriptures, that Jesus is that YHVH of the O.T. as the Lord God the Father stated as Theos and that Theos is never modified by any grammatical word for three or anything not masculine as heis-One modifies God as being ONE PERSON.

I believe Frank is on one end of a extreme holding that Jesus is someone other than YHVH and Robert Morey who wrote a book THE TRINITY holds that there is TWO YAHWEHS, both are in error.

I feel secure that anyone viewing this later will see errors and egregious ones made by Turk on his YHVH
idea.

The format allowed my opponent to skirt being rebutted and counter rebutted for each point he attempted to make.

I want to take some time to rebut in shorter format such points .

Turk did not affirm what he said he would in e-mails and that is three persons in his opening.

We saw no explanation of the H.G. and Son and HG and Father relationship as persons as I ask.

The comforter-paracleton is Jesus, clearly seen in John 14:16-21 who was coming to us and named such in the Greek in 1 John 2:1.
Allos for another means of the same kind, it is not heteros of a different kind which my opponent needed .

Only one person is mentioned and never three persons in scriptures as my affirmation pointed out. And his answer to a question of mine.

Regards to Rev. 21:6-7 and he agrees it is Jesus and Isa. 9:6 is speaking of Jesus, then Turk seems to be out of the norm of those Trinitarians on CARM, who have even stated there is TWO ALPHAS AND TWO OMEGAS. I guess you got something on them.

A4 “I’m confused by Aaron’s question because we actually have a passage in which all three persons who are God are plainly and clearly distinguished by Peter.”

Point, Turk never did list one scripture where any of the words and phrases or terms I mentioned is scriptural, I didn’t want conjecture and guessing what he thinks, just what I ask. Peter never used three persons for God, no hint either.

His response that three persons found in Acts is misinformation, nothing of the kind is stated by anyone.

Right hand is a place of power and not a literal seat. Jesus has all power, he thus is shown in his fulfilling the role as Deity.
There is not right hand to a OMNIPRESENT GOD literally.



Heb. 1:8 was refuted by me and not actually found in the languages of Hebrew, Greek and Oldest English.

There is a Son, but he was begotten, born and made, not eternal. The Son came in time as a man, Heb1:after the prophets spoke of him, poor thing never spoke in O.T.
Prophetic prolepsis of a Son was not a Son speaking.

Mary never was the Mother of God, but of that which was begotten in her womb and that is a Son of God , the Christ a Man. Theotokos is a pagan term used by Gentiles for Diana of the Ephesians. Fits with opponents pagan ideas on YHVH and other gods.

Jesus Christ was made both Lord and Christ according to Acts 2:36.

I see Turk as dismissed totally by scripture and his inserting ideas not found of a eternal Son or three persons. I did find the word Bible in scripture in the Greek, you need to get a new line, the English is a translation for it as Book.

I also don’t worship such words not found, you worship the name and idea of a deity which has no such backing though.


A5 Phil. 2: has a huge difference between us and would take a more in depth study even. I reject the idea of persons and see a clear distinction of Jesus as God and as Son of God a man.
I also believe his answer for John 17:3 is weak and shows Jesus is not truly and completely God, but a untrue God and the Father ‘YHVH’ to him is thee God.
Thus making Jesus “a god” as Jehovah Witnesses hold in alignment with Turk.

Oneness hold Jesus is YHVH alone.

A6 Turk has left all semblance of holding one God and has a multiplicity of them.
I showed that scriptures speaks of ONE on the throne and that it is GOD AND THE LAMB as seen in Rev.22:3-4,20 make such clear who that it. JOHN, ISAIAH AND EZEKIEL are clear, just one on the throne and not a threesome. (even called One man).
God and the Lamb is the same Personage, Jesus, SPIRIT DEITY AND THE ANOINTED CHRIST WHICH SPIRIT FILLS do all in Revelation 4th and 5th chapters.

I specifically ask Turk who was the Father in Heaven, since he has three fathers altogether.
Is Jesus and Holy Ghost persons in the Trinity not in heaven we must ask? I believe this is a Achilles heel for him, Clearly all three called Father or in Holy Ghost case is the Father of the Man Christ.
ONLY ONE FATHER IN HEAVEN, GOD! Who‘s JESUS!!.

I don’t believe a Christian can be forsaken, I believe though Christians can forsake and the letters to Epistles prove this. You though have Jesus forsaken by God and that is a real dilema for Jesus is our God and I his son.

Turk did not respond to final question as asked and definitions.
AARON