The direct answer to your question, Aaron, is that both the Father and the Son are referred to by all of these titles -- which is why we can confidently say they are both God.
The problem, of course, is that we cannot say they are the same person. I have already used several of your own questions and examples to express this: the Scripture clearly expresses to us that the Father sent the Son -- not that the Father is the Son. The Scripture expresses that the one who sits on the Throne in Revelation 4 hands the scroll to another who is His equal, but is not the self-same him. The Father speaks of the Son, and makes promises to the Son.
That, however, does not make you think for a moment regarding what Scripture says: it only causes you to find ways to deny what Scripture says. This is the reason I asked you to consider the example, in Scripture, of Peter and John. The ways we know in Scripture that Peter is not John is that Scripture shows us that they interact with each other, and they are distinct from each other, and they demonstrate personal motive and activity. That is, for example, Jesus says to Peter and not John, "feed my sheep". Peter denied Christ, not John. We could literally make a two-page list of distinctions between the two because Peter is a different person than John.
The problem for you is that this is exactly the case with the Son and the Father. They are personally distinct, and yet Scripture also tells us that they have something extraordinary in common: when the OT speaks of YHVH, these descriptions are applied elsewhere both to the Son and the Father.
But the distinctions are necessary and clear -- for the Father is not the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. The Son is not the one who declared the Law to Moses. The Son did not conceive himself in Mary's womb. The Father does not descend on Jesus at his baptism.
Your view of Scripture is horribly disfigured, Aaron: it lops off all the beauty and superiority of God. It makes God only explicable, and not at all greater than that which he created.
It's a shame. You need him -- and I invite you to see why. You need the God who is greater than man so that he can both punish sin and die for the punishment of sin. You need the God who both reigns over all things and still makes the hearts of believers his sanctuary. You need the God who is humble enough to pour himself out and be a man, but still sovereign to see that his definite plan to see his son die on a cross is fulfilled by sinful men.
You need the Triune God, Aaron. Repent and turn to him.
The problem, of course, is that we cannot say they are the same person. I have already used several of your own questions and examples to express this: the Scripture clearly expresses to us that the Father sent the Son -- not that the Father is the Son. The Scripture expresses that the one who sits on the Throne in Revelation 4 hands the scroll to another who is His equal, but is not the self-same him. The Father speaks of the Son, and makes promises to the Son.
That, however, does not make you think for a moment regarding what Scripture says: it only causes you to find ways to deny what Scripture says. This is the reason I asked you to consider the example, in Scripture, of Peter and John. The ways we know in Scripture that Peter is not John is that Scripture shows us that they interact with each other, and they are distinct from each other, and they demonstrate personal motive and activity. That is, for example, Jesus says to Peter and not John, "feed my sheep". Peter denied Christ, not John. We could literally make a two-page list of distinctions between the two because Peter is a different person than John.
The problem for you is that this is exactly the case with the Son and the Father. They are personally distinct, and yet Scripture also tells us that they have something extraordinary in common: when the OT speaks of YHVH, these descriptions are applied elsewhere both to the Son and the Father.
But the distinctions are necessary and clear -- for the Father is not the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. The Son is not the one who declared the Law to Moses. The Son did not conceive himself in Mary's womb. The Father does not descend on Jesus at his baptism.
Your view of Scripture is horribly disfigured, Aaron: it lops off all the beauty and superiority of God. It makes God only explicable, and not at all greater than that which he created.
It's a shame. You need him -- and I invite you to see why. You need the God who is greater than man so that he can both punish sin and die for the punishment of sin. You need the God who both reigns over all things and still makes the hearts of believers his sanctuary. You need the God who is humble enough to pour himself out and be a man, but still sovereign to see that his definite plan to see his son die on a cross is fulfilled by sinful men.
You need the Triune God, Aaron. Repent and turn to him.
This is centuri0n, aka Frank Turk, who has been an internet apologist for about 10 years and has never really gained anything for himself through it but a handful of friends and a lot of ill-will. Most people, honestly, do not like to argue with him because he doesn't know how to let it go. He's a blogger of some minor note, and he's a "calvinist".
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